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    Being A Moderator

    Tuna
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    Discussion Being A Moderator

    Post by Tuna 24th December 2014, 6:53 am

    Alright, being a moderator and grading applications has become more and more about nerfing to the point, where perceived „balance“ has gotten out of hand. And I believe we, as a staff, have lost perspective of the necessities beyond nerfing and looking out for potentially abuseable wordings. What I mean, is that being staff and grading an application should NOT solely be about „HA! Found the overpowered part, rest doesn't really matter I guess“. No, finding the unbalance and pointing it out; that's just PART of being a moderator.

    Going beyond what Kyll covered in her thread, likely thinking that it is COMMON SENSE, is going into the other direction. Paying attention to applications that end up potentiallly depowered, apps that have parts which just bare no effectiveness or purpose, spells and abilities that could be that much better, more extensive and just cover more ground than they do. I'm talking about doing the following:

    If there is something wrong with an abiliity, be it depowered or overpowered, ALWAYS give alternatives, or give GOOD reasons why an alternative is not applicable.

    Example: D Rank spell „Fireball“ deals 89 S Rank damage. Mod says „Way too op, make it deal 1 D Rank damage“. Where does my issue lie? Well in the lack of just about every aspect of comprehension for the member. Will the member understand why he had to lower it? No. Not without explanation. If you feel the need to butt in at this point already and say „Well he should know that that's just overpowered, and doesn't fly.“ How about you explain to him WHAT HE WAS TRYING TO DO.

    Someone with a spell that deals 89 S Ranked damages with a D Rank spell is OBVIOUSLY trying to go for a magic that deals heavy damage. Now, what would the sensible steps be in this case?

    „Hey, so your D Rank spell 'Fireball' is just way too strong. But am I understanding it right that you're trying to make this spell deal heavier damage than the regular D Rank spell? Because if yes, there are ways in which we can have this spell deal more damage than average, with it still being balanced and useful in battle-type situations. One of them would perhaps be giving that spell a charging period of one post, stating that the spell has requirements that need to be met, or that the spell has a higher cost than normal.“

    I think we can all agree that there is a VITAL difference between the first type of comment reading „Way too op, make it deal 1 D Rank damage“ and the second type of grading reading a paragraph that is supposed to make it comprehensible for the member what he can do to make the spell still deal high damage in a balanced context. In my case, I like giving members who propose such clear misunderstanding of PvP and rules, situations in which I can show them WHY their spells are op. This of course, is not necessary. What IS necessary is giving the member alternatives, context and reasons for any sort of comment on the spell. We can't be stuck at singular one-lined gradings of apps that give NO room for discussion, NO room for a member to understand why he needs to do what he needs to do, and NO room for alternatives.

    Give ideas to the members. That's what we're there for. Making magic work, giving members the benefit of making their magic good. Not just nerfing everything into oblivion and sitting on our bums thinking „Job well done“ when nobody is really doing what they could do.

    Kyll's post covered the first half of what a moderator's necessities are. But I feel that it lacked the other half, which is apparently NOT common sense. I've seen apps in which mods lazily just type big fat „NO“'s „TAKE THAT OUT“'s and „THIS DOESNT WORK“'s without telling the member what they could do differently to make it work, why it actually doesn't work, and what they could put in place of the things that don't work. We, as staff, and especially as moderators should work on the attitudes we walk into apps with. No, not every app is trying to be unbalanced. Keep that in mind and don't nitpick on the discrepancies, but try to make the apps you work as great as they can possibly be.


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    Discussion Re: Being A Moderator

    Post by Tōwa Lazmira 24th December 2014, 9:39 am

    Lyserg when i do simple grading i am almost always talking with them in one way or another. The fact is every person i grade is either told or PM that they can negotiate for what ever they feel is wrong. the fact is you have come at me many time accusing me of bad grading, now this is something i dislike as every time the grading i have done is in conjunction with talking with the person themselves. Now the fact that you brought this up AFTER Kyll and Zeno were gone make is seem like you trying to start a argument. 
    I honestly would like to get the mods on the same page, and its only just gonna get harder the further and longer things get carried on like this. this seems like your saying people aren't doing their jobs right, when it quite the contrary. this seems like a poor attempt to get the admins to punish us or reprimand us, which is something that is not needed. what is needed is all of us talking and agreeing on things. We are suppose to be a team, and regardless of what you think a moderator is suppose to be it will always differ from person to person. Yes i will agree im a little harsher on some people than others, but this is because i have had issues with them in the past. most of them regarding their magics or something related to such (kitteh). The fact is when you start arguing a point with me in Cbox it looks bad, expeciauly with something that does not fit the magic it makes us all look bad, from now on if you don't agree with a fix bring it to staff chat or a PM. 


    Rant over. Have a good day.


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    Tuna
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    Discussion Re: Being A Moderator

    Post by Tuna 24th December 2014, 11:11 am

    I've criticized your grading once, that is true. And that was a character application. I don't see how what I said once on character applications relates to magic applications, which are an entirely different matter.

    Furthermore, if you think me expressing my opinion is supposed to be an attempt at getting a backhanded sneak attack on anyone, and a poor one at that... well I'm at a loss of words. I'll just keep my opinion to myself in the future if it's not taken seriously.

    Furthermore, the entire attitude towards discussing things in a relatively peaceful and inconsequential matter is misdirected. When I discuss things in the cbox, or in threads, it ultimately does not have intention. You are misunderstanding when I start talks anywhere, it seems. I've had it more than once that people think I am attacking them when I am just trying to logically express my opinion in a rational and grounded manner.

    Furthermore, I have placed this thread in the staff section. Aren't I doing exactly what you suggested in your final sentence?

    And then there's the fact that you think this entire thread is somehow directed towards you specifically. I am not making this about you. I posted this thread as a reaction to Kyll's thread, which I felt was lacking something. Which I specifically emphasized in the post above.

    Lastly, it seems as if you think that I'm trying to start a heated debate or drama. No. I can't see why more often than not discussions end up in fights because someone somewhere ends up feeling offended. Towa, please, for the sake of my argument, don't feel offended. I am just trying to complement what Kyll already wrote. What I feel is lacking in some gradings. What I feel is lacking in some attitudes. What I feel is lacking in the current standpoint of moderators.

    I don't know how you think this post stems from me being a petty person with petty intentions. It is not. Please try to understand the issues I am trying to address. Please try to take to heart my opinion as what it is. Just an opinion that has reasons. Not something with a great intention. I just want to be considered. If you don't want to, that's your own choice. But at least don't try to turn this into a thread about personal issues or an ad hominem attack. Because that's no what I tried to do here.

    I wish you a merry christmas anyways, and hope we can sort out personal issues we seem to have somewhere else.


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